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Adobe not supporting Intel-Macs is Very, very good news

Wed Feb 8, 2006 10:22 AM EST
technology, apple, software, mac, photoshop, adobe, intel-mac, photoshop-killer
By [evan]
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Adobe's dragging their heels by not rushing to support the Intel-Macs, and I say "Great!"

Here's the perfect opportunity for some enterprising software firm to finally create an affordable alternative to Photoshop for the Mac. (please, please let it be Apple themselves) I've heard rumors of Apple working on a Photoshop killer, and if Jobs isn't too consumed with Disney, maybe he'll push hard to bring that out in the very near future.

An affordable alternative to Photoshop wouldn't necessarily have to do everything PS does... even if it meant losing out on even 1/2 of the features that the casual digital photographer probably never even learns how to use - and at a price of... let's say around $50.00 (not more than that), then I think it would be a huge, massive blow to Photoshop and a huge, even more massive win for Apple.

So, I'm definitely crossing my fingers.

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Mark Barta

I hope this true !!! Photoshop shop is great,but alot of people are missing
their creative calling because they cannot afford !

    Reply#1 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 10:50 AM EST
    Cyron

    Whats wrong with Photoshop Elements? Has much of the functionality and much much cheaper

      Reply#2 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 10:58 AM EST
      Lee Goolsbee

      What about a native port of GIMP to OS X?

        Reply#3 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 10:59 AM EST
        Agento

        I have to totally agree that there is a huge market for a low cost alternative to Photoshop as the cost for most users of Photoshop is way to expensive for the amount of features that are never used, but I think we can say that about a lot of software. For example look at Office for Mac/Windows. How many features are never used, I for one can attest to that.

          Reply#4 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 11:03 AM EST
          will592

          MacGimp? I know they don't have the Intel Binaries yet but they HAVE added a spot in the forums for 'Intel Mac'.

          http://www.macgimp.org/

            Reply#5 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 11:14 AM EST
            Horst Gutmann

            @will592: According to the macgimp homepage (last newsitem on the frontpage) they are currently testing the universal binaries and they also posted an email address for people interested in try them :)

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            Reply#6 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 11:27 AM EST
            Adam Kemp

            It would take far longer for someone to create a "photoshop killer" than for Adobe to port Photoshop to MacIntel, even if they do drag their heels. Don't get your hopes up too much. The closest you'll get it something like Gimp.

              Reply#7 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 11:37 AM EST
              abyers1982

              I would think that Adobe and Apple have some sort of contract so that Adobe keeps developing for the Mac and Apple cannot develop anything meant to directly compete with Photoshop. I think this is true for Microsoft and Apple with the whole office bit. Just speculating.

                Reply#8 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 11:55 AM EST
                Xerxes12

                Well, I think this is not happening. If Apple or someone else would release a Photoshop killer it would be a PRO app. There's huge amount of graphic designer, photographers, etc. who are fed up with the way Photoshop works and just how slow it is on Macs.

                Then, of course, I would be perfectly happy if Adobe recoded Photoshop and made it more lightweight, instead of using all that 10 years-old code. And, no, I don't have an old Mac---I have an iMac G5. I find it good enough when using other programs, so why not Photoshop?

                That's just my take on it.

                (And in any case, what about Photoshop Elements? Isn't that enough?)

                  Reply#9 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 11:59 AM EST
                  concaf

                  People not willing to pay more than 50 bucks for a bitmap photo editor are not buying photoshop, they either stealing it, or simply not using it and using something like iPhoto instead. Photoshop is not a consumer product, its a pro product and priced accordingly. The low end market on the mac is already covered by iPhoto, there simply is no need for an in between. The people who need the pro level features of photoshop can afford it, and will pay the 500 bucks for it without a hitch.

                    Reply#10 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 12:26 PM EST
                    Ben Lowery

                    Has Adobe publicly announced when they think a Universal edition of Photoshop and the CS suite will arrive? I know Scott Kelby has said that he doesn't think it'll show up until CS3, but I hadn't heard of anything concrete from Adobe itself.

                      Reply#11 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 12:26 PM EST
                      AnchormanDeleted
                      Justin Williams

                      I think everyone's assumption is that it wont be until CS3. The late 2006/early 2007 timeline kinda follows that lead.

                        Reply#13 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 12:31 PM EST
                        Kai

                        Won't happen, at least not in the pro community. Photoshop is a pillar of the design and broadcast world, and for the userbase to switch over and learn an entirely new workflow (shortcuts, tricks, formulas, etc) isn't going to be adopted anytime soon, nomatter how cheap the price. If it ain't broke....

                          Reply#14 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 12:31 PM EST
                          mysiren

                          As if Apple will sell anything for 50 bucks. Also, they already tried their hand at a Photoshop program, it's called Aperture, and according to reviews it pretty much sucks. Oh, and it's 500 dollars.

                            Reply#15 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 12:38 PM EST
                            Xerxes12

                            Kai, it is broke, that's the problem. I know a LOT of professionals who would switch any day, if the program was fast and intuitive.

                            anchorman, I'll take a look at Pixel, thanks for the link. Haven't heard of it before—they sure have an amazing list of supported platforms, though.

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                            Reply#16 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 12:38 PM EST
                            Zippy

                            Apple released a professional image editor called Aperture with could become the Photoshop Killer for Mac.

                              Reply#17 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 12:42 PM EST
                              resist

                              I think you may have the wrong idea about Photoshop, it's not intended for the home user. Most enterprise level software incurs a similar (if not higher) cost. I do agree, however, there should be a low cost alternative for home users. Additionally, Apple has come out and stated (and I'm inclined to agree) that Aperture was never intended to compete with Photoshop, but to complement it, so I don't think it's fair to compare the two.

                                Reply#18 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 12:48 PM EST
                                Greg Bowers

                                Then, of course, I would be perfectly happy if Adobe recoded Photoshop and made it more lightweight, instead of using all that 10 years-old code. And, no, I don't have an old Mac---I have an iMac G5. I find it good enough when using other programs, so why not Photoshop?

                                Well, they will be doing CS3 in Xcode, so that might help speed up at least the interface. But I have no issues with the speed on my 3 year old Mac at home... granted, it's a powermac G5.

                                Apple released a professional image editor called Aperture with could become the Photoshop Killer for Mac.

                                Actually, Aperature is directed solely at the professional photographer, while most people using Photoshop are doing graphic work and image manipulation. Aperature is more like iPhoto on steroids (much like Final Cut Pro is, sort of, iMovie on steroids, Logic is Garageband on steroids, and I believe DVD Studio Pro is iDVD on a couple of Loritab and vodkas), and lines up more closely with Adobe's (beta) Lightroom, with the major difference being Aperature needs an extremely beefy machine to run well.

                                  Reply#19 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 1:05 PM EST
                                  adam_m

                                  Aperture is strictly photo manipulation, and geared toward RAW format photography which photoshop can't handle anyway. Photoshop does a hell of alot that doesn't have anything to do with photo manipulation, so they're not in competition. Alternatively, Adobe just released a free beta of Lightroom, which is in competition with Aperture.

                                    Reply#20 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 1:06 PM EST
                                    Precision Blogger

                                    Sorry, your proposal is impractical. It would take a lot more than a year to create a good photo editing program that's as confusing as Photoshop.
                                    - PrBl

                                      Reply#21 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 1:13 PM EST
                                      C.A. Cook

                                      Gimp is great, and is free. It's not all that different from PS, now.

                                      Only hangups are no CMYK, and it doesn't support PS plugins for some reason.

                                        Reply#22 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 1:19 PM EST
                                        gmail_graham

                                        In response to post #20

                                        Aperture is strictly photo manipulation, and geared toward RAW format photography which Photoshop can't handle anyway.

                                        Correction:
                                        Photoshop has had the native ability to work with RAW photo's since version 8 (CS). Give it a try, it's quite good at what it does.

                                          Reply#23 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 1:24 PM EST
                                          Professor Hognutz

                                          Gimp for windows and mac would be nice.

                                          Once Adobe added the Yahoo toolbar to the automatic update in Adobe Reader they lost all right to continue to exist as far as I'm concerned. There needs to be a standards based replacement for PDF so we can cut them off for good.

                                          I hope their lunch gets eaten.

                                            Reply#24 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 1:30 PM EST
                                            jacken

                                            It's interesting to see how Adobe handles stuff. When Apple released Final Cut Pro, they promptly dropped Premiere for Mac. And thus creating a great market for Apple. And it looks like Adobe has learned from that lesson. Apple released Aperture, and Adobe rushed out a beta of Adobe Lightroom, just to try to keep their customers from jumping ship. But with Photoshop they don't have any competition, so Adobe don't have to rush.

                                            Hopefully some smart Cocoa developer creates a Photoshop alternative, so Adobe looses a bit of their dominance. That's good for all parts (except for Adobe).

                                              Reply#25 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 1:31 PM EST
                                              Shpigford

                                              All this "Photoshop Killer" chat is ridiculous. Like others have said, Photoshop is a PRO app, NOT a consumer app. It's not made for your grandmother. It's made for industry pro's.

                                              And you get what you pay for. I'm glad Photoshop doesn't cost 50 bucks. If it did I'd be a little skeptical of it's abilities.

                                              Oh, and let me guess...you think 3D Studio Max should be under $100? Spare me.

                                                Reply#26 - Wed Feb 8, 2006 1:32 PM EST
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